Subject: SDL-News: Fwd: [SDLTF-Members] SDL IS IN DANGER
From: William H. Skelton (W.Skelton#SOLINET.com)
Date: Thu Dec 18 2003 - 16:34:58 GMT
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We are having a discussion based on technical justification; there is no
need for this reaction...
I am genuinely interested in your comments, and I request you to respect
what we are trying to achieve, namely a simple, useful version of SDL; to
increase the awareness and acceptance of the language, from having 50
participants at the bi-annual SDL conference, when the regional Java forum
had 750 at the same time and location!
You talk about trying to defend SDL, but our activities are a serious
attempt to take it forwards, from a position that has a monopoly tool
supplier, who apparently has little interest in the SDL Forum and a
specification that no-one seems to be interested in fully supporting
No-one doubts your credentials, but I'm afraid we expect you to address the
issues at stake and not expect us to accept something as 'untouchable',
just because it comes from your email address. :-)
Why not roll up your sleeves, join in the discussion and let us all benefit
from your experience?
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 22.214.171.124
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:39 +0100
>Subject: [SDLTF-Members] SDL IS IN DANGER
>Cc: sdlnews#sdl-forum.org, damyot#site.uottawa.ca
>THANK YOU FOR THE 'imaginary case'. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SDL AND
>OTHER LANGUAGES SINCE 1982, ON REAL APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NOW
>FLYING OR RUNNING, SUCH AS THE AIRBUS A310, A320, UMTS OR GPRS
>SYSTEMS, SATELLITE COM. SYSTEMS ETC.
>PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THE SAM04 PROGRAM COMMITEE.
>To sdl news: WHY ONLY 3 OR 4 PERSONS REACT TO THIS ATTEMPT TO
>DESTROY SDL?! COME ON SDL FORUM, DEFEND SDL!
>At 13:21 18/12/2003, you wrote:
>>Thank you for this comment.
>>My first impression is that this is not a real requirement, but an
>>imaginary case taken from what is possible with save.
>>If there is a real requirement to implement this, and I have my doubts
>>even then that this is something we should encourgae, it probably falls
>>into the ordering problem that Qing has been looking at, and for which
>>there is a proposal of a clean mechanism that limits the scope of this
>>What do you think?
>>>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 126.96.36.199
>>>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:41:03 +0100
>>>Subject: [SDLTF-Members] Doldi thinking we want to buffer signals
>>>Dear Task Force,
>>>If you do not buffer the signal and remove SAVE from the subset, how do you
>>>write the following:
>>>A process (instance) P has signals S1 and S2 in its queue (S1 being first).
>>>In state ST1, P must input S2, and signal S1 must be processed later (in
>>>a state ST2):
>>> x x_t,
>>> y y_t;
>>> INPUT S2(y); etc. ; NEXSTATE ST2;
>>> SAVE S1;
>>> INPUT S1(x); etc.
>>>What is the equivalent without using SAVE ?
>>>At 23:30 17/12/2003, you wrote:
>>>>In some case there was simply a misunderstanding, form example Doldi
>>>>thinking we want to buffer signals, when actually we were talking about
>>>>the parameters carried by a signal (a big difference between a system
>>>>feature and an application feature).
>>William H. Skelton, Engineering Dept.
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William H. Skelton, Engineering Dept.
SOLINET GmbH Solutions for Innovative Networks
Mittlerer Pfad 26, 70499 Stuttgart, Germany
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